Coin for ID please. New photo added

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Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by cantona1 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:21 pm

It's not the best photo I'm afraid but it's difficult to capture what detail is left, the reverse is toasted but this side shows a shield with the top left and right and bottom centre panels show what I think are stylised crosses, I just cannot see the legend unfortunately. The coin is 21 mm in diameter and hammered copper alloy.
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Re: Coin for ID please

Post by Northernd » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:23 pm

Jetton ?

Nice find ::g

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Re: Coin for ID please

Post by cantona1 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:25 pm

I hadn't thought of that Northernd, it could well be, Thank you ::g

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Re: Coin for ID please

Post by Allectus » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:27 pm

Looks like a 17th C trade token. Got a better pic, that one's far too small! x;

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Re: Coin for ID please

Post by Northernd » Tue Aug 13, 2019 6:29 pm

Only a guess...allectus is the expert 🙏 ::g

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Re: Coin for ID please

Post by cantona1 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:40 pm

Hope this is better Allectus.
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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by Oxgirl36 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 7:58 pm

My immediate thought was a jetton too. Too big for a 17th century farthing token or a standard sized half penny token. Could be a penny I guess :-/

Really do need to know more location info though please if it is a trading token (along with a pic of the toasted side just in case ::g )
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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by cantona1 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 8:58 pm

I'm in North Devon Oxgirl, all of the local tokens I've had so far are much smaller than this one, it's pretty much the same size as the double tournois that I find every now and again, I'm afraid that the reverse is totally toasted unfortunately.

EDIT.

Now you've mentioned trade tokens I've had another look and I think I can see NAT just to the top right, this could well be from Nathaniel Simmonds who Dioz identified for me on a different smaller token for me recently. I'll have a look.

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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by cantona1 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:22 pm

No, not Nathaniel Simmons, Dioz identified the only one of his on record as having a Trefoil logo and much smaller.

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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by Allectus » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:27 pm

cantona1 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:22 pm
No, not Nathaniel Simmons, Dioz identified the only one of his on record as having a Trefoil logo and much smaller.
The smaller ones are farthings, the larger halfpennies. ::g

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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by cantona1 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:45 pm

Ahh that makes sense, so it could possibly be an un listed halfpenny token of his then??

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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by Allectus » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:46 pm

A going over with a fine suede wire brush(or similar) should reveal the legend. ::g


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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by cantona1 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:51 pm

Cheers A, I will give it a go ::g

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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by DiOz » Wed Aug 14, 2019 12:20 am

It's another Nathaniel Symons token.

Devonshire token #21 in Williamson's book...
O. NATHANIEL . SYMONS . 1657 = The family arms.
R. IN . BARNESTAPLE = HALFE PENNY. (in two lines.)
http://www.archive.org/stream/tradetoke ... 0/mode/1up

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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by Oxgirl36 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 7:25 am

Brilliant ID DiOz ::g
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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by cantona1 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:12 am

That is brilliant, I completely missed that page when I was looking rl; I also wrongly assumed all of our local tokens were farthings, just goes to show how knowledgeable the various experts are on here ::g

Thank you once again Dioz and everyone's contributions.

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Re: Coin for ID please. New photo added

Post by fred » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:06 am

Superb ID. ::g
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