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Hello,

some photos
on a show in Germany the next Fisher

AQ for aquamanta ..

http://hobby-detecting.ru/fisher-impuls ... rvye-foto/


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Here’s an image from the website along with the text in English - via google treanslate - One note of my own. The adjustment in point 3. Below is “Iron Mask” adjustment which is the key to the iron ID via tones or silencing.



Fisher Impulse AQ - a new pulse metal detector with metal discrimination! (New 2019, first photos!) BY DETECTORIST · 03/12/2019

Yes, friends, it happened! Fisher Lab has announced its new product - the Fisher Impulse AQ metal detector! A fundamentally new development and, it seems, a revolutionary device in the world of metal detectors. It was not possible to test much of the novelty, it was hidden at the Fisher Lab stand at IWA Outdoors 2019. Fishers do not like to shout much, but this is what I found out:

1. The novelty is a pulse device, but with discrimination of ferrous metal and gold. Designed specifically to find gold jewelry and small gold chains and earrings. Since this is a pulse device, it will work without problems on any beaches.

2. So far, the metal detector is at the final tests stage, the appearance and some characteristics may change.

3. The metal detector has several search modes - you can shift the detection of the conductivity of metals, for example: you can move the detection towards poorly conducted metals (fine gold) and at the same time eliminate highly conductive targets (large coins of silver and copper), and vice versa - look for large targets and cut off weakly conductive.

4. Tonality: in the “all metals” mode - one tone, then there is the “2 tones” mode and the “mute” mode.

5. The device is assembled from high-strength components, it can be seen through the cable thickness, and through a capacious battery, along the coil connector (the largest connector of all seen!) The metal detector is waterproof up to 1 meter - work up to your neck and lift gold just right.

6. Unusual and mounting the coil to the rod, also a novelty, not seen before.

7. Battery life up to 10 hours. You can connect a larger battery and increase the operating time up to 20 hours.

8. Yes, there is no screen on the device. And why is the screen needed? All the necessary settings are there - volume, threshold tone, iron mask, saturation mode. You can change modes, check the battery level, cut off the noise.

9. Pulse devices have always had a problem - no discrimination. Now the problem is solved and this means that you can walk in all places as if not knocked out.

10. Price. In the region of 2100-2500 US dollars. New technologies cost money, yes, but they also bring an advantage over all other metal detectors.

11. Soon there will be models for searching for gold nuggets, as well as for searching for coins and relics.

12. To the touch the weight is about 1.6-1.8 kg, the balancing is not bad, the device does not pull towards the coil. My first testing showed that the trash and other targets cut off the sound with a bang, and the gold ring on the finger is very beautiful and pleasant in all positions of the ring! Such a signal is not to be confused with anything. Well, the first tests will show, the first impression is very pleasant and interesting, waiting for more news! Video on the metal detector will be very soon, wait!

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Thanks for the link LE.JAG ::g

Hoped is was going to be suitable for greater depths of water than 1m.

What size is the stock coil and will other sizes be available.

It will be interesting to see what the UK price will be.

The layout looks very good and love how it has two points to help lock coil in position.

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Hi,

can be more than 1 m
it was planned two version (still in discussion)
the coil is 12.5 inches
very light 320 gr and full resin

yes sure a 10 inches later
and probably other size
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Cheers. I will watch developments with interest. :D
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fred wrote:
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Cheers. I will watch developments with interest. :D

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Rivers rat wrote:
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fred wrote:
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Cheers. I will watch developments with interest. :D

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You will probably be old and knackered too by the time that it is released! :D
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$2100 - $2500 - sorry, a bit too pricey for me. Like the fact it is a PI machine with discrimination - I know it’s new technology but wouldn’t be able to justify it. At least not till I retire in 6 years ::g

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I was looking forward to this detector but at that price my interest has suddenly evaporated :-O

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The price is high but I'm still very interested to see what it can do before I even would think about parting with the money.

The beaches are really my main interest in detecting.

Wondering if the control box is waterproof especially when it is mentioned that the machine is waterproof to one metre.

Looking forward to reading more about how the machine performs what voltage does it run at, battery's etc...

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Hi,

it operates under a voltage of 16 volts
interchangeable battery / 5h at full power
interchangeable 12.5 inch coil ....
7us in perfect silence in all metals (even in water)

a little more talkative in rejection mode
but this mode, allows to take a ring of 2 gr 18k
in a handful of nails

the price is not fixed yet
but in production cost,
he will certainly be the most expensive
produced by Fisher !

7us at a price, a lot of manpower to make the coil
high quality cable and connectors
multilayer pcb with more than 300 micro-components

will probably be expensive (always too expensive ..)
but the beach detectors have the advantage
to bring back gold :D

my best hunt in 2018
a week last november
the detectors currently in the trade
would have found that half (at best)

enough to repay the AQ
luckily I did not pay mine ......... ;)
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I would actually happily have settled for just half of those in a month :D

Oh for big sandy beaches stuffed with careless rich holidaymakers.
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Looks very impressive. I`m sure it will be a hit with the guys with productive good weather most of the year beaches such as Florida.
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24 gold targets (one week)
on two small beaches in Brittany
the real Brittany in France :D

one of the beaches had dig well, but there is as much
under your beaches
those who use old deepstar already know it ;)

this one is doing even better...........
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Any news on release date yet, I heard October?

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Was just thinking about this machine the other day myself would be great to see or hear some more info about it. :D

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there was, a last upgrade last May
the gold / iron separation has been improved
result of work on the Terra (special nugget)

he now detects 24k behind iron
which was impossible before ..

I have no info on the release date ....
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Le Jag, any news on this?

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The very first production example of the AQ has just been sold to a US detectorist/dealer ( Rick Kempf ) , he took delivery of it today, it appears. It's assumed that volume production models won't be too far off.

It's also had a new operating mode added in recent months, described as "Volcanic Sand" , unlikely to be relevant to us in the UK, but it's probably a lucrative niche market if it works well in such environments.

It's got a new faceplate in "Carbon fibre black" which looks good. And the shaft has been changed, it doesn't have the S-bend 'Fisher' rods.
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Thanks for the update ::g Always interested in hearing about new machines being released,curious to know what you'd be finding in volcanic sand conditions? ::g
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It's still aimed at salt-water beach detecting, just a specific tough version of that - volcanic sand. The most well-known beaches of this type are on Hawaii , but a few Caribbean islands have it, and New Zealand has some. Wealthy tourist destinations.

Hawaii:
https://www.iexplore.com/articles/exper ... hes-hawaii

The Caribbean:
https://www.endlesscaribbean.com/brilli ... caribbean/

Update: Apparently one of the 'black sand' development test locations was Reunion Island, east of Madagascar.
https://en.reunion.fr/practical/in-pictures
Trivia : It's part of the EU , as it's a French overseas territory.
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Digiffys wrote:
Sat Dec 28, 2019 12:15 am
Thanks for the update ::g Always interested in hearing about new machines being released,curious to know what you'd be finding in volcanic sand conditions? ::g
Could come in handy for anyone visiting Pompeii! lol!.

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You sure that price is isn’t for the company ? :D

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there are many volcanic beaches in the world, many in the mediterranean ....
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LE.JAG wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 12:02 am
there are many volcanic beaches in the world, many in the mediterranean ....

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Well I guess if someone can afford the price quoted for that detector then I suppose they might be able to afford a trip to the mediterranean for a days metal detecting! lol!.

Lets face the facts though!- many metal detectors are overpriced for what they are!. Whether it's single frequency, multi frequency, or pulse induction the basic principles are the same and have been around for years so theres no 'new' technology to speak of really just different ways of analysing the signals that are recieved by the coil and sent back up to the control box. The analysing is done in electronical components whether it be small proccessors, chips, or anolougue circuits and the prices for these components are cheap!- some proccessors might cost a little more but I'm sure they're nothing any fancier than what can be found in any sub £100 smart phone you can get nowadays!. The features and various settings available in a metal detector are added to the basic functionality of the basic metal detecting principles and are often just algorithms programmed in to the detector as is evidenced when manufacturers provide an update with a new feature which can add an additional sub menu in your detector menu!- it's just a few lines of computer code that's downloaded and installed in to the machine!. As customers we are paying for software basically, and some could say that software is overpriced!. As for the materials used in metal detectors and the manufacturing costs of the physical aspects of it then I would wager that any cheap bicycle requires more engineering design work taking in to account having to work out all the stresses on the frame, the rotating and moving parts that have to carry a persons weight on it whilst trying to ensure a level of safety!.

And if a manufacturer is asking for way more than what most people would consider the going price for a high end machine and the manufacturer can't even be bothered to add some kind of screen to their device then sorry but they must be having a right laugh! lol!. The thing is that maufacturers know that there will always be some people who believe that there is something new and magical in some new product and they will still pay way more then what the product is actually worth!.

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it's always too expensive ..
FTP generally produces low cost
but here, the cost of materials and the manufacturing time
especially on the reel / requires more time
than a low-end detector / the usual toys ...

this detector was designed for gold diggers
at the beach // who have a professional approach
gold mining = at the beach

there is more gold than most by people imagine
under the sand // only, gold is difficult to detect

6 days of tests on volcanic sand
a lot of lead // waste
and gold
its volcanic sand beaches are pristine / detection
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here, a week on a small Brittany beach in France
106 gr in one week // 80% of the jewelry was out of reach
commercial toys = cz21 / equinox / ctx 3030
and 50% out of range of a TDI pulscan 14volts
same thing for a GPX
2018 Oh my gold.jpg
so yes it is expensive
but those looking for gold at the beach
will pay it back very quickly ...

and why do you want a screen
it's not a video game / just a professional detector for gold diggers


many prospector complain
to find little gold
but most use toys.
if you have never used a Deepstar
then you have no idea what an Impulse AQ can do

it more sensitive / more powerful / smoother
and in addition allows to cut the iron
and going on the volcano / what nobody can do

so is it really too expensive :D
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I like the "Gold Mining" approach i consider myself as one .........especially with the amount of money i invested(not inwasted :)) :)) :)) :)) :))


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Quote Pete01:"[the] manufacturer is asking for way more than what most people would consider the going price for a high end machine"
There aren't too many high end PI machines to compare with. An obvious one is the £1000 Whites TDI-SL, which it outperforms. Minelab's GPX5000, at £3500 is more advanced, though also more specialised, being a tough-ground nugget prospecting machine. Other possible competitors include the PI/VLF-hybrid Tarsacci MDT-8000, which I'm not certain about pricing, but it would likely cost over £1600 to get one from the USA.[ It's 1550 US Dollars]
Edit: Garrett's now-discontinued Infinium PI retailed for over £1000 , too, if I remember correctly.
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LE.JAG wrote:
Mon Dec 30, 2019 1:13 pm
it's always too expensive ..
FTP generally produces low cost
but here, the cost of materials and the manufacturing time
especially on the reel / requires more time
than a low-end detector / the usual toys ...

this detector was designed for gold diggers
at the beach // who have a professional approach
gold mining = at the beach

there is more gold than most by people imagine
under the sand // only, gold is difficult to detect

6 days of tests on volcanic sand
a lot of lead // waste
and gold
its volcanic sand beaches are pristine / detection

zzzzzz1.jpg

zzzzzz2.jpg


here, a week on a small Brittany beach in France
106 gr in one week // 80% of the jewelry was out of reach
commercial toys = cz21 / equinox / ctx 3030
and 50% out of range of a TDI pulscan 14volts
same thing for a GPX

2018 Oh my gold.jpg

so yes it is expensive
but those looking for gold at the beach
will pay it back very quickly ...

and why do you want a screen
it's not a video game / just a professional detector for gold diggers


many prospector complain
to find little gold
but most use toys.
if you have never used a Deepstar
then you have no idea what an Impulse AQ can do

it more sensitive / more powerful / smoother
and in addition allows to cut the iron
and going on the volcano / what nobody can do

so is it really too expensive :D

So what are these super expensive materials the manufacturer is using to make this detector then?....that can't be found on cheaper machines or in any other products sold at a more reasonable price?. All I'm hearing is the sales pitch that it can find more gold at deeper depths than some other machines and that you had a good weeks metal detecting with it in 2018! lol!. I'm not disputing that it may well be a good pulse induction machine with some improved discrimination capabilities over some other pulse induction machines- but I'm not buying in to the theory that the detector would cost that much more to manufacture then many other machines that are much cheaper!. You say that the coil in particular requires more time to manufacture!- who have they got building them!?- a bunch of naked virgins hand winding those things or what!? lol!. All metal detectors have coils and they all rely on the same principle and have to adhere to certain formula's in their design in order that they work eficiently etc- thats a constraint of physics but means that there can't be that much variation making one type of metal detecting coil that much more expensive to manufacture than any other!. I suppose some manufacturers can cut costs by getting them wound in China or somewhere but it must be pretty dammed easy to build a rig that wires those coils automatically in no time whatseover!- think of a 'fixed spool' fishing reel!- you can wind on hundreds of meters of fishing line on to a spool all nicely laid out evenly across the drum in next to no time just by cranking a handle!. Where's the super cost involved in this manufacturing process?- it can't be the wire used as other brands manage to source copper wire at reasonable costs to keep the costs down!, surely it's not the plastic or resin used etc!- where's the super inflated costs coming from?- that's what I'm disputing!. The box?, the shaft?- as I mentioned before.... this new Fisher machine hasn't even got a screen which any cheap mobile phone has on it! lol!. And as you asked!.... yes I, and many other people would like a screen on a metal detector!, and I think a lot of people would prefer to have buttons under a membrane that are less likely to leak water- or become scratchy if you just leave the machine unused in a cuboard for any length of time (I've yet to see a variable resistor type pot that doesn't do this, and I've used some high end equipment in my time!). I know that using 'pots' instead of specially manufatured button membrane screens help to keep the costs down on a device!.... after all the parts can be bought off the shelf and just require drilling a hole and soldering them to the circuit board!- oh... and the addition of some waterproff washers that also become brittle and dry over time and require replacing if you still want your machine to remain waterproof!.

A screen would be handy for a multitude of reasons!- what if you detect in the dark a lot of the time becasue that just so happens to be when the tide is out and you can't get out there during the day time low tide?. I'd rather be able to press a button and see the screen light up rather than have to fiddle with the little button on my head torch with gloved hands and sprinkle my eyes with sand in the process everytime I want to make an adjustment to the detector! lol!. Who want's to fiddle with turning a knob at night and then having to check you haven't accidently turned it to another position etc!. You say that this new detector isn't a 'toy' or a 'video game' etc.... are you saying that Fisher will now say that the majority of the recent machines they have been selling their customers were just toys with useless screens on them!? lol!. I think at the price quoted for the machine it should have a screen with a visual indication of target I.D!- it's useful to have as you gain a lot of information from that and the only reason I can see of not incorporating that in to the design of the detector is if the discrimination isn't actually as good as it's made out to be and the designers weren't able to provie any sort of accurate I.D indication!- which to be fair though is the problem you would expect with a pulse induction machine!. Or, maybe they just wanted to keep manufacturing and design costs right down!. If this new detector is just a re-tweeked version of the older 'Deepseeker' then that could also explain the lack of a screen!.

Both of the metal detectors I use on the beach have excellent discrimination and target I.D displayed on a screen- which I am quite sure is more accurate than what any pulse induction machine can provide.... and I still dig LOADS of trash!- tiny bits of aluminium and foil etc from quite decent depths!. If this new machine from Fisher will be as deep and sensitive as it's hyped up to be then I would love to see someone use it on the beaches I detect and watch them dig every tiny bit of scrap- which they'd have to if they are looking for the gold targets!- there's just no getting around that problem!. It's a numbers game!- you have to dig those targets if you want the gold items but it's debatable what would be the better method!- ie: is it better to wait for the conditions to be good when sand has been stripped off certain sections of the beach so you can dig all those gold type signals quickly!- or would you prefer to spend ages digging tiny bits of scrap from really deep and take much longer going over the same area!- thereby potentially missing good targets in other sections of the beach that you don't get the time to walk over!?- the results are likely to average out somewhat over time I would have thought!?. It's worth noting that nearly all sections of a beach are stripped of sand at some point or another to where you can detect down to the hardpack/ black sand below so it's more about knowing which area to detect on any particular day!. Doesn't matter how deep your detector is either if you don't know where to look for the good stuff!. Another way of thinking about it is- a deeper detector will only provide you an advantage under some specific cirumstances on a beach- lets say if one detector can only get down to say 10 inches in wet sand, but another can get down to 15+ inches then that will only really be a benefit if the hardpack where the heavier items settle is at no more than 15+ inches or so!- otherwise the targets will sink down to below the level of detection of even the deeper machine!. In this hpothetical example you would have the advantage with the deeper machine only in those circumstances where the hardpack is within the range of 10 to 15 inches and thats it!- and you have to find those areas first and walk over them in order to find the items.

It's nearly always worth going over a specific area with another detector though becasue of the different ways that each detector will respond and relay to the user what it's detecting under the ground so I can definitley see the benefits of owning different types of machine especially if they work on another principle- ie: single frequency versus pulse induction etc. This can work even if going over a patch with a cheaper machine than what you used on the first pass of the patch though just becasue it might relay the information slightly differently and you might pick up on a signal that you missed the first time around.

This new machine from Fisher does sound interesting but as with nearly every new high end machine that comes out it's going to be just tweeks to an existing design that may provide a little more depth or better discrimination etc which is just the usual advancements that are made with any products that are improved upon in some way over time!. It's not a case of some new technology and I don't believe for one minute that the manufacturing costs of the components increase in any way whatsoever just becasue some tweeks have been made in the algorithims of how the detector interprets the signals!. If manufaturers were more honest and just said- 'look.... we sat down for ages scratching our heads to try to come up with a way we can squeeze out a little more depth and come up with another algorithim and way to interpret the signals and we want to make as much money out of it as we can'!- then I'd just think yeah fair enough everyone wants to make money but it's the hoodwinking that gets on my nerves when they try to make out there are increased manufaturing costs over other detectors when that's clearly not the case!. As an example- if Fisher were to give their circuit diagrams etc of that particular machine to another manufacturer of a cheaper machine I bet the cheaper manufacturer could get that circuit board printed up and installed in one of their own control boxes and manufature a coil to the same specification and they could do it at the cost of the cheaper machine!- which in many cases would be under £500 !- and I bet they could put a screen on it as well! lol!. It's only people who don't have an idea of electronics and software and how things work, or how they are made that actually believe that the things that are sold to us for these prices are actually representitive of the actual cost to manufacture that particular item!. What actually happens is that manufacturers constantly update their designs and end up with a range of products which get better over time but other than taking in to account the design teams time the actual product doesn't really cost much more (if any more at all!) then it cost them to manufature their last design or even the machine they sell that's at the bottom of their range!. They just know they can get away with charging more for it!- and that would be fine taking in to account inflation and rising business costs but thats not what happens!- each time they just think- 'errr.... how much can we fleece our customers for for this new machine!?'. They want to make money (and rightly so) but it comes to a point where the marketing teams start getting a bit too greedy I think!. They want to cater for all customers pockets so they create a 'range' of products aimed from beginner to more advanced, and it's all a marketing process!- you only have to look at the examples of this way of thinking when you take in to account how some manufaturers of certain metal detectors will produce the same exact machine but with differing levels of programmed in features and sell one for a coupe of hundred quid more or less than the other machine that is identical except for the software that's loaded in to it!- what did I say before about us customers being charged mainly for software rather than actual cost of the manufacturing process!. And in that example just mentioned....no one could say that the more expensive machine cost the manufaturer a couple of hundred quid more to produce just becasue they loaded a different version of software in it and added a slightly different sticker to the front of it! lol!.

I think you're right when you say that this new detector was designed for 'Gold diggers'!.....but I have a feeling they weren't just thinking about the detectorists when that term entered their minds! lol!.

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