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Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 7:49 pm
by Bargeman
Ok then, let me say right from the off, this is not definitive, one of the items is not silver, and these were all done as an air test with the sensitivity at 9, to remove any background interference.

The lowest number was the small Hammy at 9.
The highest number was the Viking ring at 19.
And the numbers remained pretty constant across all modes, but all were within +/- 1.
Nox 800.

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One oddity, was the two William love tokens, they gave quite different results.


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Re: Equinox Silver Numbers...

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 8:39 pm
by Junior
Cheers ......all numbers on my wish list especially 14.....17... ::g

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers...

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 8:58 pm
by bob79
Nice selection of silver there BM, good of you to post the results.
Would be intersting to see how Id numbers change with single frequencies.

Bob ::g

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers...

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 9:02 pm
by Bargeman
bob79 wrote:
Wed May 30, 2018 8:58 pm
Noce selection of silver there BM, good of you to post the results.
Would be intersting to see how Id numbers change with single frequencies.

Bob ::g
I may have a look at that tomorrow Bob.... ::g

BM [:)

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers...

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 9:20 pm
by Bargeman
A quick check using just four of the items (Gold Stater, Silver Unit, Viking Ring, and small Hammy) show an increase by 2 of ID numbers across all frequencies except the two higher frequencies, 20 & 40. Which are the same as Multi.

I will do a full test on the same targets tomorrow ::g



BM [:)

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers...

Posted: Wed May 30, 2018 9:47 pm
by fred
The hammies certainly fall within the range that I have found them at. ::g I have noticed that some iffy signals firm up and read a bit higher once out of the ground. :D

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Thu May 31, 2018 5:38 pm
by Bargeman
Here then are the results using the same items over the different frequencies....
As you can see there are a couple of changes, but not really that much.


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BM [:)

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:14 pm
by Blackadder43
Oh wow, this deserves a bump
Thanks fella for your work
Duely bumped
::g

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 9:20 pm
by Blackadder43
Just to add a Milled silver William III Norwich Shilling came in at 28 on multi tones

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:04 pm
by littleboot
Very interesting, well done BM....not really a numbers gal myself but the big silver hammies I knock out every so often have been coming in at around 33 or 34.

Thing is though they are all dig-able.

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:25 pm
by Easylife
and gothic florins come in at 31. ::g

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Tue Aug 13, 2019 11:30 pm
by fred
Numbers have only a limited value on their own because good targets can fall almost anywhere. In my opinion you get more information from the sound and the 'shape' of the signal. Antway, rather than use all this information to accept targets I am far more likely to use it to decide what to reject. ::g

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:48 am
by Detectski
Would be interesting to get a handful of the typical buttons we all find and see how the numbers compare to the above numbers..

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:08 pm
by Easylife
Detectski wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:48 am
Would be interesting to get a handful of the typical buttons we all find and see how the numbers compare to the above numbers..
Whether buttons, silver, gold, lead, coins, trash etc they all fall within the same number range dependent upon metal composition and target size. It is just not possible to dig any specific targets by numbers alone. ::g

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 2:15 pm
by Easylife
The above exercise with silver probably best shows that you should not avoid targets with lower numbers. Cut quarters will give an even lower reading as will small gold and foil. :D

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:17 pm
by Detectski
Whether buttons, silver, gold, lead, coins, trash etc they all fall within the same number range dependent upon metal composition and target size. It is just not possible to dig any specific targets by numbers alone. ::g
Yes that was my point, buttons would likely show up on some of the same numbers.

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:34 pm
by Blackadder43
Detectski wrote:
Wed Aug 14, 2019 4:17 pm
Whether buttons, silver, gold, lead, coins, trash etc they all fall within the same number range dependent upon metal composition and target size. It is just not possible to dig any specific targets by numbers alone. ::g
Yes that was my point, buttons would likely show up on some of the same numbers.
They do as do ring pulls, silver foil (at the low end of those numbers) musket/pistol balls, bits of lead, bits of bronze, shotgun ends
Which is exactly why notching in the UK is a seriously bad idea on any of the machines that have notching

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 10:59 am
by detecting rod
nice info would love one of the garret experts to do a garret one (please)as a noob this is great information

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:02 pm
by slowsweep
Pointless exercise as Junk, trash, dross and garbage come in at all the above numbers ;))

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:57 pm
by Bradrick
A great piece of work BM and very interesting/useful. ::g

I'm firmly in the 'play it by ear' camp. I do use the numbers to try and reduce digging (health dictates the number of holes I can dig in a session, and a couple of my fields are 'manicured' and have livestock on), so the numbers do help, but those who are used to older detectors have an edge in my opinion, as they are accustomed to sound discrimination.

Most numbers on the Nox are very closely grouped (maybe a price to pay for excellent separation, (but said with no technical expertise whatsoever). My main difficulty has been that one of my fields in particular is smothered in those tiny cartridge shells and air-gun pellets used for rabbits, etc. These tend to come in below 10 (depending on depth), but I have also found cut halves and other small pieces in the same range.

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:08 pm
by Pete E
SuperRed wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:57 pm
My main difficulty has been that one of my fields in particular is smothered in those tiny cartridge shells and air-gun pellets used for rabbits, etc. These tend to come in below 10 (depending on depth), but I have also found cut halves and other small pieces in the same range.
Fairly new to the hobby and don't have a Nox (yet!) but I have a quick question..If a cut half and an airgun pellet both come up as "10" (exact number doesn't matter) how easy is it to differentiate them by the audio signal?

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:56 pm
by Bradrick
Pete E wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:08 pm
SuperRed wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:57 pm
My main difficulty has been that one of my fields in particular is smothered in those tiny cartridge shells and air-gun pellets used for rabbits, etc. These tend to come in below 10 (depending on depth), but I have also found cut halves and other small pieces in the same range.
Fairly new to the hobby and don't have a Nox (yet!) but I have a quick question..If a cut half and an airgun pellet both come up as "10" (exact number doesn't matter) how easy is it to differentiate them by the audio signal?
Dunno, is the honest answer Pete, that's why I still dig up those tiny cartridge cases. The Nox is a superb piece of kit and it may just be a case of 'dig-and-see' on this particular field. My point was that I do prefer to trust my ears over the numbers anyway.

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:58 pm
by Dom
Cut quarters come in about 3-5 for me on Field 2.

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:10 pm
by Bargeman
Pete E wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:08 pm
but I have a quick question..If a cut half and an airgun pellet both come up as "10" (exact number doesn't matter) how easy is it to differentiate them by the audio signal?
As it happens, and it really is not important, I have a field that has loads of airgun pellets at one end, and just for the sake of it, they ring up at "5 or 6" on my Nox, the thing is they give a nice two way sound, and a solid signal, so I dig them all, and there are two reasons for this...

1. I don't want to risk missing a good find by not digging an airgun pellet.

2. They won't be in the field next time I swing a detector over the area.

It really is a win win situation. ::g



BM [:)

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:57 pm
by Pete E
Thanks gents...just wondered if you could differentiate using the audio that's all...

So many experienced people say the audio is the critical part, but I often have problems deciphering the various tones as I think I am tone deaf to some degree...

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Thu Aug 15, 2019 11:05 pm
by Allectus
SuperRed wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:56 pm
Pete E wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 1:08 pm
SuperRed wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 12:57 pm
My main difficulty has been that one of my fields in particular is smothered in those tiny cartridge shells and air-gun pellets used for rabbits, etc. These tend to come in below 10 (depending on depth), but I have also found cut halves and other small pieces in the same range.
Fairly new to the hobby and don't have a Nox (yet!) but I have a quick question..If a cut half and an airgun pellet both come up as "10" (exact number doesn't matter) how easy is it to differentiate them by the audio signal?
Dunno, is the honest answer Pete, that's why I still dig up those tiny cartridge cases. The Nox is a superb piece of kit and it may just be a case of 'dig-and-see' on this particular field. My point was that I do prefer to trust my ears over the numbers anyway.
SuperRed's 'got it' ::g

Numbers are nonsense.....DO NOT DIG BY NUMBERS! ::g

A ;)

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 12:55 pm
by Blackadder43
I would like to add a Hammy i found yesterday to this numbers thread as i noticed the original chart up there u;@ has the lowest entry at 9

Possibly an Edward III penny
This came in at between 6 and 7 on the nox 800
Field 1, Groundbalance 0, multi, 5 tones, FE 0, Recovery 4


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Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:03 pm
by Bargeman
What does it give in an air test?



BM [:)

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:18 pm
by Blackadder43
Bargeman wrote:
Mon Oct 07, 2019 1:03 pm
What does it give in an air test?
BM [:)
Ahhh sorry fella i skip read the original post and didnt see that yours were air tests

Although i personally dont give any weight to air tests, i will do this one a bit later on for your chart ::g

Re: Equinox Silver Numbers... Updated.

Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2019 2:05 pm
by littleboot
The reason numbers are never to be used as a reason to over-ride a diggable signal sound: The (very) big silver I dug last week came in at 39. By 'number' one would guess aluminium can etc. By 'sound' it was high but a sweet round note...not shrieking like a banshee which aluminium junk does.
Equally. a gold noble-sized hammy came in at 13. Nice sweet mid-to-low tone. A lot of foil bottle caps etc also come in at 13. They can be 'edgier' but nothing you can stake a hammy on. Got to dig them .