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Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Tue Jun 18, 2019 11:13 pm
by fred
I was recently asked to review the new TELE KNOX telescopic stem for the Minelab Equinox. I only received one as they were being released so I wasn’t able to test it before the discussions about them started online. I have now been out with it half a dozen times and this is my take on it.

Unpacking

The stem arrived in a snazzy soft fabric sleeve inside a hard plastic tube along with a handle fixing block and a bag containing an end plug, four spare washers, four spare locking clips complete with nuts and bolts, and a couple of allen keys (aka hex keys).
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My first impression was that the new shaft was very light and the shiny red pattern was particularly striking.

Assembly

I set about assembling it in a similar way to the original Minelab shaft. There were no instructions but guidance is now available in MRX’s video.

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The complete armrest is fitted in predrilled holes near the end of the top shaft and the end plug inserted in the end of the shaft.

The new handle fixing block must be used because the carbon fibre tube has a groove in which the new fixing block locates into. The control handle can be positioned anywhere on the upper stem that is comfortable before securing it by inserting and tightening up the four fixing bolts from the original handle.

The poles simply push into each other and slide in and out to adjust the length. Each stem has a red area on the end which I assume is the limit of the extension. The flip clips do not feel very chunky but they certainly do the job. On my TELE KNOX both stems were prone to slipping so I used the smaller allen key to turn the metal bolts in the clips to tighten up the grip just a little.
The locking clips are made of fairly soft plastic so they shouldn’t be overtightened.
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The rubber washers that hold the coil in place are a similar shape to those from earlier Minelab detectors. They hold the coil very securely and, in my opinion, are an improvement on the tear shaped washers that come with the standard shaft.
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Statistics (apologies for using both metric and Imperial units)

Weight

The assembled weight of my standard Equinox is 1324 grams and the weight of my one with a telescopic stem is 1216 grams, so it is 108 grams lighter. My Equinoxes are well used and uncleaned so there may be a gram or two of mud and sand included on either or both.

Working Length

The maximum length of my standard Equinox is 57 inches while with the telescopic shaft it is 53 inches. This isn’t actually a significant difference because the additional length of the standard Equinox shaft is wasted because of the fixed position of the handle.

Transporting Size

With the new shaft the Equinox will slide down to 23.5 inches with the coil at right angles to the shaft and just under 28 inches with the coil flat against the shaft. In both cases when assembled the arm cup fixing screw prevents the two lower shafts sliding all the way in. If the arm cup was removed during transport the assembled Equinox would be about 1.5 shorter. The standard Equinox shaft is 43.5 inches and 48 inches respectively.
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If you were going to take it completely to pieces to bag it up then the maximum component length is the lower shaft which is 21 inches long and the maximum width would be that of the search coil.

In Use

When used with the standard and small coils the Equinox does feels lighter and is not unbalanced. It has a slightly ‘whippier’ feel to it but that is not to its detriment, just different and a reminder for me to slow down a bit.

After a few sessions I had to tighten up the control handle and the arm cup but they now seem solid enough.

It must look good as I have even had a few comments about it.

Caveats

After a mere six trips out there are still some unknowns.

Carbon fibre is a fairly soft material and is prone to wear. My CTX carbon fibre shaft eventually wore down and became loose, although this took several years. I would suggest that it is important to ensure that the stems are wiped down before they are closed to remove any grit or sand which can easily scrape carbon fibre.

I didn’t try the telescopic shaft with the 15 inch coil so I don’t know how it feels or behaves with one.

I haven’t yet used it for heavy duty work like stubble bashing so I have no idea how it will fare in that sort of environment.

Summary

The TELE NOX is a very nice looking and well designed bit of kit. The reduced weight is welcome and I particularly like how coils are attached. The place where it really scores over the Minelab shaft is portability. Not only will your Equinox now easily fit in a bag, a car boot or leg well it is very easy indeed to carry when closed up.

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:00 am
by Bors
Yes very good write up Fred it has to be said and well described.I couldn`t bring myself to go for the red version though.
Being an "in the background type of person "and never wanting to draw attention to myself by having any focal attention grabbers about me, I plumbed for the plain black CF shaft and reluctantly had to accept the bright red Coil to shaft connector . I`m aware that its been mentioned that in the near future there is going to be available an option of the coil to shaft connector being black if so desired.
Myself I found the "Red " shimmer version of the shaft with red trimmings a bit too Christmassy for my bland taste. :))
All thats needed next is a large Red glitter bauble dangling from each ear and were all set for an early Christmas. :D
On a serious note though, I prefer black as it doesn`t attract Wildlife attention as much as the Red will. As we know Wildlife see`s Red as a Danger colour so if you want to blend in around Wildlife or if you like to see any in the countryside , personally RED would not be my choice to blend in with the browns and greens needed in the countryside.

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:06 am
by Bradrick
Comprehensive and well-written Fred... many thanks.

Brad

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:13 am
by Junior
Superb Fred.....

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:14 am
by Dangerous Norman
Bors wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:00 am
Being an "in the background type of person "and never wanting to draw attention to myself by having any focal attention grabbers about me, I plumbed for the plain black CF shaft and reluctantly had to accept the bright red Coil to shaft connector . I`m aware that its been mentioned that in the near future there is going to be available an option of the coil to shaft connector being black if so desired.
Myself I found the "Red " shimmer version of the shaft with red trimmings a bit too Christmassy for my bland taste. :))
I was going to order the All Black version but ordered the red/black by mistake. I'm pleased I did as I love the colour. The bottom (coil section) is black on all shafts. There is a 29" bottom section they will swap with the standard 21" section if you request them to do that when ordering (£35 if ordered separate).

I fully agree with Fred's review. I'm just waiting for the control head arm fold down connection to be released but they have said the additional battery unit is to be released first. There is also a S curve centre section in the planning.

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:06 am
by Blackadder43
Very good review Fred ::g
Its on my xmas list as the family never know what to buy an old fossil like myself

Having watched mrix unboxing and putting together video i have to say it does look an impressive piece of kit
And the weight reduction is not to be sniffed at in the grand scheme of things
Some folk spend many many hours swinging machiens, so it all adds up

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:31 pm
by fred
Dangerous Norman wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:14 am
Bors wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:00 am
Being an "in the background type of person "and never wanting to draw attention to myself by having any focal attention grabbers about me, I plumbed for the plain black CF shaft and reluctantly had to accept the bright red Coil to shaft connector . I`m aware that its been mentioned that in the near future there is going to be available an option of the coil to shaft connector being black if so desired.
Myself I found the "Red " shimmer version of the shaft with red trimmings a bit too Christmassy for my bland taste. :))
I was going to order the All Black version but ordered the red/black by mistake. I'm pleased I did as I love the colour. The bottom (coil section) is black on all shafts. There is a 29" bottom section they will swap with the standard 21" section if you request them to do that when ordering (£35 if ordered separate).

I fully agree with Fred's review. I'm just waiting for the control head arm fold down connection to be released but they have said the additional battery unit is to be released first. There is also a S curve centre section in the planning.

Thanks for pointing that out about the 29 inch stem. :D

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:33 pm
by fred
Bors wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 10:00 am
personally RED would not be my choice to blend in with the browns and greens needed in the countryside.

Unless you do a lot of detecting in the Summer and Autumn! :D

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:06 pm
by Dangerous Norman
fred wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:31 pm

Thanks for pointing that out about the 29 inch stem. :D
Someone with a 15" coil purchased the 29" bottom shaft even though the 21" shaft on the 11" coil was ok for him. Said he fixed the longer shaft to the 15" coil so that there is extra support for the large coil and quicker to swap over in the field. It makes sense to me, lol.

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:19 pm
by mrcheeky
Hiya can someone tell me what the bottom of the shaft part is called where the bolts go through please and if anyone can link me to where i can purchase please ty

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:39 pm
by mrix
mrcheeky wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:19 pm
Hiya can someone tell me what the bottom of the shaft part is called where the bolts go through please and if anyone can link me to where i can purchase please ty
Hello its actually called part 1 of the tele knox construction :)) , unfortunately there are no spares presently available, well there are a few but they are held back just in case any of the stems have any issues with that part and if a replacement needs sending out.

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:03 pm
by Iron Mask
mrcheeky wrote:
Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:19 pm
Hiya can someone tell me what the bottom of the shaft part is called where the bolts go through please and if anyone can link me to where i can purchase please ty
That is part of the lower shaft which will be available as a separate purchase from the complete kit however the lower red but will not be sold separately as a single part.
There is no plan to sell any of the components separately. If a replacement part is needed then it will be dealt with specifically.
Regards,
Scott

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 12:34 am
by Spectra
Hi have to bring something to the table on your review , honestly enjoyed the read ,
Second time around , first time was a few days ago while doing a bit of research , went ahead and purchased one , it is significant the loss of inches , not insignificant as you’ve stated , you have to swing much more closely or lose significant inches with standard coil , even worse with 15 inches
Build quality isn’t very good either as far as I could see with camlock s being secured with a resin or just stuck on shaft , apologies for sounding rude , but if it’s objective , it should be ok to reply
Reviews are what most people base a purchase on , yours among others

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:23 am
by Easylife
I think I seemed to have missed this thread first time round. But I found that in some transportation circumstances a more compact detector would be more beneficial without having to take it apart, so I also bought a Tele-nox. I found that it has it has both good and bad points but could not recommend it over others. It's about 100 grams lighter than stock. The built in groove is a great idea to prevent any twisting but it would ideally be better if the controller could pack flat to the coil rather than sticking out at 90 degrees if say you wanted to carry it in a backpack, as is it still has to be dismantled. I've only used it with the 15” coil so far and it feels better due to being lighter . A note came with it advising that the black shaft is more liable to slip with it being shinier, and it certainly did for mainly the first few outings requiring regular tightening of the clamp bolts but has seemed to settle down some but still does occasionally slip a few times per outing. You know when this has happened because you suddenly feel a wobble flex in the shaft when it is close to detaching, when bashing stubble this happens much more frequent and is a right pita. I did actually remove the clamps for examination after just two outings to see what was causing this unexpected issue and found that they were already both quite worn from compression due to being made of a softer plastic so guess that regular adjustment is required to compensate for this. Maybe likely why they include the spares of them? The controller also moved down the shaft to the first knuckle but since re-tightening it to more than I felt comfortable with it has since stayed it in place.
My conclusion:
The Tele-nox shaft is about the same weight as other brands. My main gripe is that he actual clamp lever/cam material is insufficiently softer causing the necessity of frequent adjustments to compensate for it. The fact that the controller does not fold flat in-line with the coil as some other's do is dependant upon your own requirements. Overall it's okay for what it is, but might need a bag full of those clamp levers for longevity? I personally would rather have good clamps that work well on a rotational round shaft than poor one's on a grooved shaft. Maybe there was too much design focus on the grooved shafts but not enough of the actual clamps? Has anyone tried jubilee clips yet?
That's just of course my very own individual experience and opinion. But there's just no need for a non-rotational shaft if you have good reliable clamps is there? x;

OMG Fred, that red shaft is like wearing jewellery! :D

Re: Review of the TELE KNOX Telescopic Shaft for the Minelab Equinox 600 and 800

Posted: Fri Sep 20, 2019 9:21 am
by fred
Easylife wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 2:23 am
I think I seemed to have missed this thread first time round. But I found that in some transportation circumstances a more compact detector would be more beneficial without having to take it apart, so I also bought a Tele-nox. I found that it has it has both good and bad points but could not recommend it over others. It's about 100 grams lighter than stock. The built in groove is a great idea to prevent any twisting but it would ideally be better if the controller could pack flat to the coil rather than sticking out at 90 degrees if say you wanted to carry it in a backpack, as is it still has to be dismantled. I've only used it with the 15” coil so far and it feels better due to being lighter . A note came with it advising that the black shaft is more liable to slip with it being shinier, and it certainly did for mainly the first few outings requiring regular tightening of the clamp bolts but has seemed to settle down some but still does occasionally slip a few times per outing. You know when this has happened because you suddenly feel a wobble flex in the shaft when it is close to detaching, when bashing stubble this happens much more frequent and is a right pita. I did actually remove the clamps for examination after just two outings to see what was causing this unexpected issue and found that they were already both quite worn from compression due to being made of a softer plastic so guess that regular adjustment is required to compensate for this. Maybe likely why they include the spares of them? The controller also moved down the shaft to the first knuckle but since re-tightening it to more than I felt comfortable with it has since stayed it in place.
My conclusion:
The Tele-nox shaft is about the same weight as other brands. My main gripe is that he actual clamp lever/cam material is insufficiently softer causing the necessity of frequent adjustments to compensate for it. The fact that the controller does not fold flat in-line with the coil as some other's do is dependant upon your own requirements. Overall it's okay for what it is, but might need a bag full of those clamp levers for longevity? I personally would rather have good clamps that work well on a rotational round shaft than poor one's on a grooved shaft. Maybe there was too much design focus on the grooved shafts but not enough of the actual clamps? Has anyone tried jubilee clips yet?
That's just of course my very own individual experience and opinion. But there's just no need for a non-rotational shaft if you have good reliable clamps is there? x;

OMG Fred, that red shaft is like wearing jewellery! :D

After exactly 3 months I am still using a telescopic shaft with the stock coil and I still like it. ::g

The weight saving, although fairly minor is significant to me and the fact that it slides down so small is very convenient indeed for carting it around and stashing it away in the car.

I have fitted a single wrap of gaffer tape around the stem where the arm cup and the handle fits to stop all movement there. Like Easylife, I eventually got the tightening right and the stem slippage settled down to just the odd movement each trip, sometimes none. I suspect that the slippage is caused by a combination of the clamp becoming oval when tightened and the groove in the stem closing up slightly. The residual slippage might be solved by further tightening but tightening beyond a certain point doesn't seem to make much difference and I don't want to risk breaking anything.

I bought a second stem (in black) for the other Nox which seems to have become my main machine, for now at least, so I have yet to change anything. :D