ID Challenge No.17 (14-7 to 17-7-19)

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ID Challenge No.17 (14-7 to 17-7-19)

Post by thefiggis » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:56 pm

What ho,

Went out for a spin yesterday but had to cut it short due to Great Aunt having to retire injured. There's not enough meat on her to make spares for a budgie and the hard-baked ground proved too much for her scrawny frame, so after a few holes and a couple of displaced vertebrae, that was that ;;z

However, there was one decent find and here it is for your consideration. Just a couple of clarifying notes to go with the images of this partefact:

The wide (top) part has flat sides (images 1 & 2).
There is a slightly raised ridge running down the centre of the inside face (image 3)
While it's nearly all solid bronze, there is a white, crumbly infill in a portion of the top. The hole in the infill seems purpose-made and I only cleared out the dirt from it. It doesn't go all the way through (image 4).

Found on pasture at a depth of only a couple of inches. New permission, so no previous finds history.

I think I know what it is (which isn't what I first thought it was) and if you'd like to have a stab then you'll find the form HERE.

Don't forget, there's no limit on the number of guesses you can have (I've changed my own mind umpteen times on the thing). It's one of those items best held in the hand, but hopefully there's enough detail to enable a fair whack at it. Let me know by PM if there are any further images which you think might help.

The thread will be closed for entries after 5.00pm on Wednesday, 17th July. If I remember :D

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Post by thefiggis » Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:56 pm

When I first saw it I thought it was part of a fibula, then a terret ring, but now I'm thinking it's a broken finger ring, possibly Roman.
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Post by Dave The Slave » Sun Jul 14, 2019 1:26 pm

Part of a Locking Buckle.
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Post by Junior » Sun Jul 14, 2019 9:01 pm

Sorry what ever it is I would of chucked it....I give up ...Celtic again my guess a back scratcher ..... no emotioncons so thumbs up

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Post by Danzigman » Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:34 am

My guess is a trigger to some kind of weapon.. based on it look like a mixed material similar to cast pewter, I would stick my neck out and say the trigger is to a toy gun..
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Post by Spearhead » Mon Jul 15, 2019 5:50 pm

A badly corroded fibula.

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Post by sweepstick47 » Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:40 pm

Partial main body section of a 1st Century Dolphin Variant similar in style to example -
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Post by shaggybfc » Tue Jul 16, 2019 1:43 pm

I have absolutely no idea, so this will be an absolute guess.
Maybe something off farm / horse equipment - maybe a chariot terret ring - Iron age - broken at the claw / pointy end, do there would have been the same again on the other side? No idea what the white crumbly infill is - maybe chalk stone?
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Re: ID Challenge No.17 (14-7 to 17-7-19)

Post by thefiggis » Wed Jul 17, 2019 7:14 pm

Yep, it's one of them objects, ain't it? =))

Thanks to all for your thoughts on it, even though they've induced yet another bout of "yeah but no but yeah but" in this here bonce ::g

As I said above, I've had copious changes of mind on it but came to favour a finger ring partly because of the flat-sided area but, more importantly, the white, crumbly substance embedded in the top in this flat section, which I believe to be the cement for an insert such as a jewel or other decorative item. I've seen this stuff once before in a silver Roman ring I found, and I don't think there's a doubt it's there for securing a stone or suchlike.

Ah, but for a ring or a brooch? :D The slightly raised ridge in the centre of the inside would make it uncomfortable to wear, even though I've seen examples of rings with this feature, so that swings it towards brooch.

Could be either or neither. I dunno! And now I need a gin. Jen-kiiiiins!

Cracking ideas, folks, and thanks again for them. If you think my proposal of a finger ring fragment is codswallop, please say so :))
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Re: ID Challenge No.17 (14-7 to 17-7-19)

Post by SuperRed » Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:30 pm

I do enjoy your challenges matey (when I get time), but I had absolutely no idea on this one, and I still don't! The only thing it reminded me of a bit was your old avitar. =)) =))

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Re: ID Challenge No.17 (14-7 to 17-7-19)

Post by thefiggis » Wed Jul 17, 2019 9:32 pm

SuperRed wrote:
Wed Jul 17, 2019 8:30 pm
I had absolutely no idea on this one, and I still don't!
Join the club, me old throshing stick! Finding readily-identifiable objects is great, but I do enjoy those which make you scratch the old noggin till it gets really sore.

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Re: ID Challenge No.17 (14-7 to 17-7-19)

Post by littleboot » Wed Jul 17, 2019 10:48 pm

I tend to think the ring idea is codswallop. :D I just think it would have made the most uncomfortable finger ring since the dawn of time. Unless its one patented by the Spanish Inquisition.
I think Sweep is right and its part of a fibula.
But actually you are right too....it is one of 'them'. I have a drawer full.
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Re: ID Challenge No.17 (14-7 to 17-7-19)

Post by thefiggis » Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:16 am

=)) ::g

I agree that the inside ridge wouldn't be comfy and makes no sense for a finger ring. I did find examples with such a ridge but blowed if I can find one now and I need to get orff and craft some oak. I'll try later.
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