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Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 4:36 pm
by Lowland
Afternoon,
Only find of note from an hours stroll with the equinox.
Looks to me like a primer from a big round-however I know very little on this subject....
Area had ww2 training going on extensively.
First one of anything like this I’ve seen.
Looks very inert-the inside has a thin metal sheet that has been punctured
And it’s bkackened inside the cavity.

Markings I can make out are
A crows foot arrow
A capital Q,which could be qualcast the manufacturer-seen similar on mills bomb base plugs.

630 KBY

Some faint numbers followed by a C / 41

Could the 41 be date of manufacture.

Any expertise well appreciated.
Please don’t tell me it’s a nasty
It’s sitting outside the now :D

At its widest it’s 45mm wise
Thank you

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 4:54 pm
by MilitaryMetalMagnut
No.I primer for a 25 Pounder artillery shell. ::g
It is indeed dated 1941.

https://images.app.goo.gl/qJeLx95hxG5af7Dx5

Great find.

Best regards,

Simon

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 5:29 pm
by Lowland
MilitaryMetalMagnut wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:54 pm
No.I primer for a 25 Pounder artillery shell. ::g
It is indeed dated 1941.

Great find.

Best regards,

Simon
Hi Simon,thank you for the ID and the information ::g
Would this be a usual thing to be letting off in the Scottish Borders countryside?
Cheers
edit-just found and half read this -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_25-pounder
Is that the beastie
Chuffed to find that.
Come to think of it I found a royal artillery cap badge not far away.

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?

Posted: Sat May 18, 2019 11:54 pm
by MilitaryMetalMagnut
Lowland wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 5:29 pm
Hi Simon,thank you for the ID and the information ::g
Would this be a usual thing to be letting off in the Scottish Borders countryside?
Cheers
No problem ::g
Possibly! On a common near me, they crammed in all manner of training there during the war. On just a 200 acre area, they had a 'Q' mock airstrip bombing decoy, side-by-side with a tank range! On that range, I know they were live firing tanks and the much bigger 3.7 inch there, too.

With an RA cap badge from that area, I would imagine they would be letting off the big stuff there. Have a look at the stratigraphy of the landscape, that might give some clues the 'target' end of their firing. ::g
Lowland wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 5:29 pm
edit-just found and half read this -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_25-pounder
Is that the beastie
Chuffed to find that.
Come to think of it I found a royal artillery cap badge not far away.
That's the chap ::g

Best regards,

Simon

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:03 am
by RRPG
Sorry for the late reply on this.....been offline for a while!

MMM is correct, except that this primer wasn't just used in 25pdrs. It could be used in a number of other shells.

Also, there is no picture of the 'top' so we can see whether the wax disc is still in place. With the primer being unstruck, if the disc is still in place then so is the booster charge beneath it. If this is the case, it is powerful enough to remove a couple of fingers if it goes off so please be careful!

Have a look here at other primers and tubes...

https://stephentaylorhistorian.com/2018 ... and-tubes/

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Posted: Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:42 am
by Lowland
Hi RRPG,many thanks for taking the time to reply.
There was absolutely nothing inside the primer-phew!
Great link by the way ::g

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:38 am
by RRPG
No probs. Glad it is empty!

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:46 am
by Lowland
RRPG wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:38 am
No probs. Glad it is empty!
Me too -it certainly illustrated a point well ::g

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Posted: Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:53 am
by Pete E
Interesting find...as already mentioned during WW2' live firing was done on some very small training areas on a needs must basis...

Also, it's possible that rounds were fired from one training area, over public land, to an impact area some distance away.

I am not sure how common that was but it was certainly done up near Otterburn Training Area up on the English side of the border up there...