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My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:43 pm

Hello all
I just introduced myself in the other part of this forum so now it is time to show you guys some of my finds from the good old days when I knew how to detect and not get in to trouble.
i will write some info abaut the finds> Hope you will like it.



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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Chopper » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:46 pm

Welcome to the forum buddy.

As a WW2 collector, I'm looking forward to seeing some of your finds.

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:53 pm

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Poland
Ihis medal was found in the middle of a road thrue a forest under a rock. In the winter of 1945 when Russian ofensive began two german colums ware chased by red army fast tank units. Tho colums met on a forest road and ware stuck. You can imagine 10000 german troops and personel in a middle of a forest in winter time being atacked by red army from 3 sides. This forest was a target for many hunters and every one found nice stuff.

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 8:57 pm

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here you can see the txt

WINTER SCHLACHT IM OSTEN 1941/42

This soldier went a long way to die in some forest.

Few years ago there ware road works and some german bodies ware found and there are atleast two known mass graves
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:07 pm

Yes that a helmet and under it you can see a german grenade.



I spend fiew weeks collecting stories from locals.
I story was funy.

After winter local people took most of the stuff that germans left in that forest. There ware trucks full of uniforms or with a whole machine shop. All kinds of equipment. All over the area i was finding parts of gas masks
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Chopper » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:08 pm

A nice Easterrn Front medal! :)

Yeah, its a helmet on top Dazza.
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Chopper » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:09 pm

By the way mate... if any of these things are for sale, I'd be interested in buying in bulk.

PM me if you're interested.

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:12 pm

This is what dreaming to find. You should se me jumping in the bushes when I found it. Mu girlfiend couldnt stop laughing.
Comes from the same road as the medal but two kilometers away

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Chopper » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:37 pm

dazzaessexuk wrote:lol was just gonna say i wany one now lol , =))
You can pick up non relic ones on 'Specialist Auctions' for about £30-£40. They're beautiful arn't they!

I dont mean to be controversial, but the Nazi stuff is absolutely stunning! Really grand and rich looking. From the uniforms and headgear, to medals and awards. Sadly there's loads of fakes around, so it's a bit of a minefield.
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:46 pm

Abaut that funy story:

People tryed to pull a truck out of the forest. It took them hours before they managed to pull it out. They all ware wondering how this truck can drive when the wheils dont want to turn. After few days they found someone who knew things abaut cars. He just couldnt stop laughing when he saw the truck wa on gear and a hand break =))

In those days there ware not many drivers.

I remember the story from 1939. A mamber of anti aircraft gun crew told me it.

Polish infrantry caprured a column of german trucks. You would think - great now infrantry can use trucks to move faster - well if you have drivers yes. There ware no drivers in trhat unit. they just destroyed the trucks and went their way by foot.

i like those small stories. You cant find them in books or internet.

Polish military buttons

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100 meters from the spot where I found these buttons I found a grave of 3 soldiers.
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 9:58 pm

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The adrenalin rush

I found 3 that day and human remains buried with 2 panzerfausts
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Chopper » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:07 pm

Maciek wrote:100 meters from the spot where I found these buttons I found a grave of 3 soldiers.
I presume such a discovery was reported to the authorities. Regardless of which uniform they wore, every soldier deserves a decent burial.

What happened to the items that were found with the soldiers remains?
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:09 pm

Chopper the graves ware in good condition. The locals care abaut them. I dont dig in graves if I see them.


Every time you go digging you find stuff like this - sometimes on the surface

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found in a diffrent forest

This time it was a russian unit that was to fast to adwance and was cut of its supplies by retreating german units. Fighting lasted for 2 days. Russian reinforcements came and germans had to run living 30 vehicles behind. People say stories abaut tanks and halftracks.

Old lady own words: "Mister on that spot I couldn grow any potatoes or any other plants for 30 years" -- burned tank spot?

http://odkrywca.pl/forum_pics/picsforum10/g4.jpg
russian tracks found 100 meters away in the forest
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:20 pm

I was lucky to be the first detectorists who entered this part of the forest. I found two lines of "finds". One german and other russian.
German side:
If I knew what it was at a time I wouldnt take it in my hand <heavy>

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warhead inside

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and from the side

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and the empty rocket engine
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:23 pm

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G 43
MP
And probably walter

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:31 pm

Now this is what I regret most of that time.

Farmers father took it from a destroyed/abandoned german vehicle.
The photo was made 4-5 years ago. Farmet wanted 1000 zloty for this and it was too much fore my when I was earning 600 a month. 1000 = 250 euro

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Im so mad at myself I didnt buy it

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by letiss30 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:35 pm

keep the photos coming..great stuff

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:38 pm

more tracks
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heavy stuff

from a bayonet
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RAD tag
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:39 pm

dazzaessexuk wrote:is that a seal /stamp of some kind looks dangerous to me
like a cosh or grenade

It is a stamp with a original wood handle

I lost contact with the owner - <cryyyy>

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Chopper » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:43 pm

Maciek wrote:Chopper the graves ware in good condition. The locals care abaut them. I dont dig in graves if I see them.
Ahh, I misunderstood mate. I thought you were still talking about your forest finds, so presumed that that's where you found the graves.

I visited Normandy earlier this year (April) with my 87 year old uncle. He was in 151st Field Regiment, 11th Armoured Division, and was the machine gunner in his Sherman Tank, and then after crossing the Rhine - the A34 Comet.

He fought through Normandy, landing on Sword Beach on June 9th 1944. He told me of ferocious battles against SS Panzer Divisions in Caen, Hill 112, and Falaise.

We visited the Germany cemetery in Normandy, and it was a very somber place. I know ALL cemeteries are somber, but the British and American cemetaries are very grand, with the beautiful white headstones. The German cemetery was very different. Small black tablets with the soldiers name, and date of death... that's it! It all seemed very insignificant :(

A long time ago, when young and foolish - I had absolutely no time for Germans at all!!! I was of the stereotypical opinion that all Germans were bad. Fortunately over time, I've come to realise that most of the German constripts didn't want to fight, just like our boys didn't! It was Hitler and the SS... the Nazis that caused the war, not the regular German man! I have the upmost respect for ALL who served in WW2.
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:52 pm

A typical day outside

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bird rings can be found under a tall tree - birds of prey eat pigeons there

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woodoo stuff :d


Chopper I dont want to talk abaut germans and who was guilty. All I know is that hitler was elected by the nation and the germans are responsible for 2 greaters wars. When I read and hear german soldiers I can see that as long they ware the winning side they had no douts, they ware proud of themselvs. Im not talking rubish these are their own words.
Enough of this mater.

A good day :
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1 ww buttons


dazzaessexuk it is a polish made Rutus Solaris detector

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 10:58 pm

My girlfiends find <one of the best>

Polish eagle from a hat
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:02 pm

Im glad you guys like it. More stuff tomorrow
GN all

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Mick » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:19 pm

Chopper
Ive read a few books based on the Eastern front from the German perspective, also Antoney Beaver is a very very good read if you after an impartial view on some key events in the latter days of the war.

" The Fall of Berlin " is devastaingly heart breaking and I defy anyone to read that book and not feel any empathy for the complete and utter hoplessness the Wiermach and German population in general faced in 1945.

You have probably read some of these books but if you have not, give em a bash mate.

Blood Red Snow by Koschorrek
In Deadly Combat by Bidderman

Both above books can only give you a small glimpse into the horrors of the Eastern Front.

My Grandad served in Africa against probably the greatest military commander of the 20th century Rommel and my grandad would not hear a bad word said about the German army.
And a lot of the old fellas are like that.

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Mick » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:22 pm

Amazing finds mate, it sort of feels a bit weired looking at them knowing the absolute nightmare those poor souls { Poles, Germans, Russian etc } were in the mist of.
Really sad in a way.

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Chopper » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:24 pm

Maciek wrote:Chopper I dont want to talk abaut germans and who was guilty. All I know is that hitler was elected by the nation and the germans are responsible for 2 greaters wars. When I read and hear german soldiers I can see that as long they ware the winning side they had no douts, they ware proud of themselvs. Im not talking rubish these are their own words.
Enough of this mater.
I'm sorry, I don't wish to get into an arguement, but I feel I must respond to this point with some facts.

Germany were NOT responsible for WW1. They joined the war through allegiances to their neighbours. After the war ended, and the 'Treaty of Versailles' was materialising, it was clear that the French in particular, wanted to hold Germany SOLELY responsible. This was evident by the appalling sanctions that was placed on Germany, resulting in a virtually non existent military, and far more damaging was the financial burden, and massive loss of territory.

Hitler rose to power in a demoralised Germany, promising to rebuild the country, and take back what was rightfully theirs. Anyone who is passionate about their country would see this as an attractive proposition... that's why he was voted into power... not to mention the small fact that all of the political opposition had been bloody murdered!!!

I'm not for one moment condoning what Adolf Hitler (an Austrian) done in Europe between 1933 and 1945, but this man was evil... he was the problem... not the German people! Nobody had a choice... they had to fight for their fatherland, or risk being sent to the death camps!

I understand that some people will always dislike the Germans, but I feel accuracy is paramount for people to make up their own minds.

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Blackadder43 » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:32 pm

I wasnt sure wether to throw this in here but here goes....
I have just recently visited Longleat.......(Realy need to work out how to get a detector up my trouser leg next time =)) )

Anyways, inside Longleat house there is a section dedicated to WW2 (Longleat house became a war hospital for some 100 badly injured troops)
So i was looking around the WW2 section and noticed 1 wall with lots of watercolours on them....
I took a closer look and they were all happy scenes....kids playing in the streets, flowers and gardens all neat.....Nice houses etc...
Each was Signed "AH"
I thought to myself..."Nah"
I got to the end of the wall and there in glorious Black and white was a photo of Hitler painting a scene......

Now, i'm not making him out to be a saint but it beggers belief that someone with a mind that was capable of the things he did could actualy paint very harmonic and pleasing paintings....
They were quite good to.....

Suprised me......
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Maciek » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:33 pm

Chopper you mentioned graveyards made by allyes for german dead.
I have a thought to share. What I notised.

From the east front point of view.
All around Poland we can find 1 WW graveyards made by germans. On those graveyards we can see both german and russian graves. "Here lies a brave russian soldier" - you can read on a stone.
That how it was in 1914-1918 - respect for the enemy.

I cant find such respect and such graveyards from 1939-45 in the east. "We shoot them like dogs"

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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Chopper » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:39 pm

Hi Mick,

I've not read those books, but they do sound like a good read.

My uncle Joe also fought against Rommel's famous Atlantic Wall in June 44. We returned to Normandy in April of this year, and Joe has nothing but respect for the regular german army. These WW2 veterans are far more qualified to give an honest synopsis of the Germans than we are.

I've interview plenty of vets, and obviously some still see them as 'the enemy', which is completely understandable. One vets brother was killed on June 6th whilst storming the beaches. The following day, upon landing on the beaches himself, he was informed of his brothers death. Obviously he wanted retribution! He recounted to me the moment he first caught a German in the sight of his Lee Enfield No4, and it's a story of real anger, but great sadness too. His wife pulled me aside as I was leaving, and she said "Lee, he's never even told me these stories"!
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Re: My first topic - ww 2

Post by Chopper » Mon Nov 08, 2010 11:53 pm

Maciek wrote:Chopper you mentioned graveyards made by allyes for german dead.
I have a thought to share. What I notised.

From the east front point of view.
All around Poland we can find 1 WW graveyards made by germans. On those graveyards we can see both german and russian graves. "Here lies a brave russian soldier" - you can read on a stone.
That how it was in 1914-1918 - respect for the enemy.

I cant find such respect and such graveyards from 1939-45 in the east. "We shoot them like dogs"
Woah... hold on just one second!

Firstly, rituals change with different generations, so I think the wording on a headstone is completely irrelevant!

Secondly, who said this phrase, "we shoot them like dogs"?

I think you'll find that the persons responsible for mass murder during the Eastern campaign was the SS (who I have earlier condemned) I have read plenty of accounts of Germans burying Allied soldiers, just as I've read accounts of Germans being buried by the Allies.

There is tonnes of evidence of this 'mutual respect' out there... maybe you should have a look at it. It may go some way to changing your opinion.
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