WW2 ordnance kills two, seriously injures two more.

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WW2 ordnance kills two, seriously injures two more.

Post by RRPG » Fri Feb 15, 2019 3:48 pm

A sobering reminder of the dangers of old ordnance. These were professionals, members of a highly experienced EOD (Explosive Ordnance Disposal) group, handling a piece of WW2 ordnance that had already had the fuze and detonator removed and had been classed as 'safe'. Yet it took the lives of two EOD guys, with 2 more seriously injured. A very sad day.

So for all of you out there, who have previously commented on how WW2 ordnance that has been buried for 70+ years will have been rendered inert by nature, please take note. No ordnance is made safe by the simple act of being buried. Please don't mess with old ordnance!

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Post by brianc » Fri Feb 15, 2019 4:23 pm

Absolutely.

A good heads up for common sense and self preservation.

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Post by cantona1 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 5:47 pm

Surely I am allowed the right of reply? Particularly when the post is inaccurate, not good to allow the OP to post without allowing facts to be corrected???

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Post by sweepstick47 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:11 pm

cantona1 wrote:
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Post by Me and my boy » Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:26 pm

Thanks for the warning.

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Post by cantona1 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:05 pm

Thank you.

As I stated on my post that you deleted, I did not say that ordnance is rendered inert after 70 years, quite the opposite, I actually commented on how amazed I was that it was in fact still live after 70 years in a Devon field, something the OP would have known had he read my previous post in its entirety.

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Post by sweepstick47 » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:18 pm

Thanks you for your prompt reply but the fact remains, we are a family friendly forum and cannot and will not compromise on any aspect of safety regarding the finding/handling or unearthing of items of an explosive ordnance nature.
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Post by AndyM » Fri Feb 15, 2019 7:40 pm

I can recall a self taught TV famous "expert" recovering a WW2 25lb shell from a British site of scientific interest, his way of informing us it was safe was to dig it out and then start poking it with a stick to see if it was "harmless", luckily the video was removed from the channel.

Thanks for the reminder RRPG, the unfortunate deaths of these men, sadly, may not be the last, there is still a huge backlog of ordnance awaiting disposal from both wars, the theory that time renders explosives safe is indisputably false.

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Post by Kilo_SSK » Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:43 am

Just seeing how often you hear in the news that an entire district of a German city has been evacuated because a WW2 bomb was found there is sobering. They cordon an entire neighbourhood, evacuate several thousand people each time...

By the way, I've got a friend who lives in northern France. They've started calling the police only a couple decades ago when they run into unexploded ordnance (mostly WW1 stuff, but some WW2 Allied bombs are found around train stations and former industrial districts as well), but until the 70s, the local farmers would just blow the stuff up with surplus explosive from WW2 or the Algerian War that they had bought off the shelf! We're fortunate that this kind of insanity has stopped...

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Re: WW2 ordnance kills two, seriously injures two more.

Post by liamnolan » Sun Feb 24, 2019 12:09 pm

Yes, there can be deadly finds in the soil. I started to find lots of hand grenade shrapnel and fuse bases on a field and then the farmer told me that it had been a practice firing/throwing area in WW2. I then found out that not all the grenades would explode! So I will skirt around that area in the future, Liam :;@
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Post by Kilo_SSK » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:41 pm

It's true that sometimes it's better if you learn more about the place you're detecting in from the locals! In the north of France, you've sometimes got another problem; unexploded shells might have been mostly removed, but there's lots of heavily polluted areas, be they because of WW1 (poison gas shells) or because of industrial production that happened before the 80s, back when there still were factories.

But to be honest, that's a common issue in Russia as well (chemical contamination), especially since the places have often been kept secret for decades! It even took the life of some famous Soviet actors in the late 70s/early 80s when the famous filmmaker Andrey Tarkovsky shot the movie "Stalker": some of the crew shot scenes around a small stream which happened to be the one where the local factories dumped their chemical waste, and the whole crew suffered from various illnesses, including but not limited to skin cancer.

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