Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

All Military and ordnance topics here.
Forum rules
Ordnance Forum Rules and Guidance :
By entering this forum you agree to accept the additional rules and guidance listed on the link below:
Ordnance Forum Rules

Forum rules
IMPORTANT Before Creating an ID Request, Please Follow the H.A.M.M.Y Code Below....
H - Have at least two good sized clear photos, this is Mandatory
A - About your detecting day, type of land, depth found.
M - Measure items by doing the pics next to a scale or ruler. this is Mandatory
M - Machine used? settings? interesting to other users.
Y - You will always get a better ID if you supply more information.

*PLEASE NOTE: Use of a modern coin or written dimensions no longer qualify as a "scale". We need a properly-defined measure - metric or good old-fashioned inches will do.
Post Reply
User avatar
Lowland
Posts: 6653
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:18 am
Location: scottish middle march
Has thanked: 7325 times
Been thanked: 3764 times
Contact:

Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Post by Lowland » Sat May 18, 2019 4:36 pm

Afternoon,
Only find of note from an hours stroll with the equinox.
Looks to me like a primer from a big round-however I know very little on this subject....
Area had ww2 training going on extensively.
First one of anything like this I’ve seen.
Looks very inert-the inside has a thin metal sheet that has been punctured
And it’s bkackened inside the cavity.

Markings I can make out are
A crows foot arrow
A capital Q,which could be qualcast the manufacturer-seen similar on mills bomb base plugs.

630 KBY

Some faint numbers followed by a C / 41

Could the 41 be date of manufacture.

Any expertise well appreciated.
Please don’t tell me it’s a nasty
It’s sitting outside the now :D

At its widest it’s 45mm wise
Thank you
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Last edited by Lowland on Sat May 18, 2019 5:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.


Shiny equinox600- taped up spade-dodgy elbow
.....................deeper bliss......................

User avatar
MilitaryMetalMagnut
Posts: 649
Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:43 pm
Location: East Devon
Has thanked: 46 times
Been thanked: 262 times

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?

Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut » Sat May 18, 2019 4:54 pm

No.I primer for a 25 Pounder artillery shell. ::g
It is indeed dated 1941.

https://images.app.goo.gl/qJeLx95hxG5af7Dx5

Great find.

Best regards,

Simon
You do not have the required permissions to view the files attached to this post.
Military Firearms and Ammunition Historian, and published author to that effect! 13 years experience of collecting, researching military ordnance and weaponry!

https://wartimedalditchcamp.wordpress.com/about/

User avatar
Lowland
Posts: 6653
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:18 am
Location: scottish middle march
Has thanked: 7325 times
Been thanked: 3764 times
Contact:

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?

Post by Lowland » Sat May 18, 2019 5:29 pm

MilitaryMetalMagnut wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 4:54 pm
No.I primer for a 25 Pounder artillery shell. ::g
It is indeed dated 1941.

Great find.

Best regards,

Simon
Hi Simon,thank you for the ID and the information ::g
Would this be a usual thing to be letting off in the Scottish Borders countryside?
Cheers
edit-just found and half read this -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_25-pounder
Is that the beastie
Chuffed to find that.
Come to think of it I found a royal artillery cap badge not far away.
Shiny equinox600- taped up spade-dodgy elbow
.....................deeper bliss......................

User avatar
MilitaryMetalMagnut
Posts: 649
Joined: Fri Dec 19, 2014 12:43 pm
Location: East Devon
Has thanked: 46 times
Been thanked: 262 times

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?

Post by MilitaryMetalMagnut » Sat May 18, 2019 11:54 pm

Lowland wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 5:29 pm
Hi Simon,thank you for the ID and the information ::g
Would this be a usual thing to be letting off in the Scottish Borders countryside?
Cheers
No problem ::g
Possibly! On a common near me, they crammed in all manner of training there during the war. On just a 200 acre area, they had a 'Q' mock airstrip bombing decoy, side-by-side with a tank range! On that range, I know they were live firing tanks and the much bigger 3.7 inch there, too.

With an RA cap badge from that area, I would imagine they would be letting off the big stuff there. Have a look at the stratigraphy of the landscape, that might give some clues the 'target' end of their firing. ::g
Lowland wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 5:29 pm
edit-just found and half read this -
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordnance_QF_25-pounder
Is that the beastie
Chuffed to find that.
Come to think of it I found a royal artillery cap badge not far away.
That's the chap ::g

Best regards,

Simon
Military Firearms and Ammunition Historian, and published author to that effect! 13 years experience of collecting, researching military ordnance and weaponry!

https://wartimedalditchcamp.wordpress.com/about/

RRPG
Posts: 2031
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:48 pm
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 78 times

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Post by RRPG » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:03 am

Sorry for the late reply on this.....been offline for a while!

MMM is correct, except that this primer wasn't just used in 25pdrs. It could be used in a number of other shells.

Also, there is no picture of the 'top' so we can see whether the wax disc is still in place. With the primer being unstruck, if the disc is still in place then so is the booster charge beneath it. If this is the case, it is powerful enough to remove a couple of fingers if it goes off so please be careful!

Have a look here at other primers and tubes...

https://stephentaylorhistorian.com/2018 ... and-tubes/
www.stephentaylorhistorian.com

Lots of videos of WW2 relics being recovered on my channel! Go view it!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZxrI- ... SoD8F8kebg"

User avatar
Lowland
Posts: 6653
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:18 am
Location: scottish middle march
Has thanked: 7325 times
Been thanked: 3764 times
Contact:

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Post by Lowland » Sat Sep 28, 2019 11:42 am

Hi RRPG,many thanks for taking the time to reply.
There was absolutely nothing inside the primer-phew!
Great link by the way ::g
Shiny equinox600- taped up spade-dodgy elbow
.....................deeper bliss......................

RRPG
Posts: 2031
Joined: Sun Nov 20, 2011 7:48 pm
Has thanked: 1 time
Been thanked: 78 times

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Post by RRPG » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:38 am

No probs. Glad it is empty!
www.stephentaylorhistorian.com

Lots of videos of WW2 relics being recovered on my channel! Go view it!

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZxrI- ... SoD8F8kebg"

User avatar
Lowland
Posts: 6653
Joined: Wed Mar 29, 2017 9:18 am
Location: scottish middle march
Has thanked: 7325 times
Been thanked: 3764 times
Contact:

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Post by Lowland » Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:46 am

RRPG wrote:
Wed Oct 02, 2019 10:38 am
No probs. Glad it is empty!
Me too -it certainly illustrated a point well ::g
Shiny equinox600- taped up spade-dodgy elbow
.....................deeper bliss......................

Pete E
Posts: 714
Joined: Mon Feb 11, 2019 3:59 pm
Location: North Wales
Has thanked: 536 times
Been thanked: 264 times

Re: Large ww2 shell primer?-25 pounder top ID-MMM

Post by Pete E » Wed Oct 02, 2019 11:53 am

Interesting find...as already mentioned during WW2' live firing was done on some very small training areas on a needs must basis...

Also, it's possible that rounds were fired from one training area, over public land, to an impact area some distance away.

I am not sure how common that was but it was certainly done up near Otterburn Training Area up on the English side of the border up there...
Makro Racer 2
Makro Pinpointer
August EP650 Wireless headphones
TaoTronics Wireless Portable Transmitter, (Bluetooth 4.1, aptX Low Latency)

Post Reply

Return to “Military - Ordnance Forum”