5 grammes or 40 grammes?

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5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by cantona1 » Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:01 pm

You choose which lump of lead you'd least like to be hit by.
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I know which one is gonna hurt the most x;

The lead bullet is 30 mm long and strangely 15 mm square at the base and 40 grammes, Snider or Martini Henry maybe? The lead ball is 5 grammes and 9.2 /. 362'' in diameter, pistol ball?

I normally just find musket balls or. 303 but the last two trips have thrown up the one above and also the different one shown below.
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The second bullet is 24 mm long x 15 mm diameter, it has a hollow base. Musket balls left to right.
18.5 mm and 14 mm.

I'm starting to build a nice musket ball collection now although god knows what they were firing at, there's only rabbits around in most of the places they were found in.
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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by Oxgirl36 » Wed Aug 14, 2019 9:52 pm

I find the range of lead ammunition strangely addictive. Nice selection there ::g
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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by Easylife » Wed Aug 14, 2019 10:14 pm

cantona1 wrote:
Tue Aug 13, 2019 5:01 pm
You choose which lump of lead you'd least like to be hit by.
I know which one is gonna hurt the most x;
But surely that would depend upon the natural velocity of each? :D
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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by Phil2401 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:27 pm

Bearing in mind that in the days before effective antiseptics, more deaths occurred from infected wounds than from the severity of the wound itself, it would be preferable to be hit by a projectile that does its job instantly ...

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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by Dangerous Norman » Thu Aug 15, 2019 8:02 pm

Phil2401 wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 6:27 pm
Bearing in mind that in the days before effective antiseptics, more deaths occurred from infected wounds than from the severity of the wound itself, it would be preferable to be hit by a projectile that does its job instantly ...

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I'd prefer not to be hit at all if I had to choose.

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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by cantona1 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:07 pm

My thanks to Easylife for rescuing this from the depths of page 2, 160 or so views with no comments prior to that :D

It does make you wonder why so many military rounds were fired in the fields? I know the war office sold off a lot of Brown Bess muskets after the Napoleonic wars, maybe it was the same after the Zulu wars or did they bring their weapons home on leave with them? Good job they don't do that these days :D

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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by Easylife » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:25 pm

cantona1 wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:07 pm
It does make you wonder why so many military rounds were fired in the fields?
I guess that some military training took place on many a pasture since about 1800? x;
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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by Oxgirl36 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:31 pm

cantona1 wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:07 pm
My thanks to Easylife for rescuing this from the depths of page 2, 160 or so views with no comments prior to that :D

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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by cantona1 » Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:47 pm

Actually Easylife you might have it there, the North Devon Hussars / Yeomanry were active locally so you never know.

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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by Saffron » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:10 am

cantona1 wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:07 pm

It does make you wonder why so many military rounds were fired in the fields? I know the war office sold off a lot of Brown Bess muskets after the Napoleonic wars, maybe it was the same after the Zulu wars or did they bring their weapons home on leave with them? Good job they don't do that these days :D
I find a fair few .303 rounds around here, far from any military establishment, the vast bulk are dated just before or during WWII (even found a 1938 penny with a hole from a .303 in it!). So these would have been from the home local guard unit training, (from my family history research I know the local home guard unit was highly regarded).

Exactly the same would have happened in earlier days with the local militias, and then local army units, training. If you are finding a lot of rounds in a fairly small area I expect this would be the reason.

Also as you say "I know the war office sold off a lot of Brown Bess muskets after the Napoleonic wars". Guns improve over time, and as new better versions come out the army get these and therefore have older guns they do not require so often used to sell these off. This was especially true after major wars where more men were recruited into the army and more guns were required, so when manpower returned to peace time levels these extra guns were not required and sold. This would account for guns / ammo you consider as "military" being in civilian hands,

Some "sporting" guns were of the same calibre as military so the bullets might not be from ex-military guns and could be local sportsmen or gamekeepers with "sporting" guns.

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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by cantona1 » Fri Aug 16, 2019 6:48 am

Some "sporting" guns were of the same calibre as military so the bullets might not be from ex-military guns and could be local sportsmen or gamekeepers with "sporting" guns.

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Thanks for the reply Evan, all I can say is that they must have decimated the stocks of Elephant and Water Buffalo here in North Devon with those weapons then because there's none left B-)

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Re: 5 grammes or 40 grammes?

Post by Jungle » Fri Aug 16, 2019 1:27 pm

Easylife wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:25 pm
cantona1 wrote:
Thu Aug 15, 2019 9:07 pm
It does make you wonder why so many military rounds were fired in the fields?
I guess that some military training took place on many a pasture since about 1800? x;
Yes and if you GPS them, you can work out firing lines and target areas. As a by product of a Roman site survey, we have discovered an undocumented training venue. With buttons we were able to work out who, by calibre, which types of solder and by looking up an order for 6000 rounds, when exactly they were in the area and where they went next. When I say we, the detectorists supplied the finds with gps (300+) and the university researcher did the plotting/calibre/button/British library leg work.
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